Herbert, II Count of Vermandois

Male Abt 880 - 943  (~ 63 years)


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  • Name Herbert , II Count of Vermandois  [1
    Suffix II Count of Vermandois 
    Born Abt 880  [2
    Gender Male 
    Died 23 Feb 942/43  [2
    Notes 
    • Herbert II (884 - February 23, 943), Count of Vermandois and Count of Troyes, was the son of Herbert I of Vermandois.

      Life

      He inherited the domain of his father and in 907, added to it the Saint de Soissons abbey. His marriage with Hildebrand of France (also known as Liégarde) brought him the County of Meaux. Because Adela, the name given to the queen, since his mother was so well known. So it has been presumed that he had one spouse with two different common names. But, Hildebrandt was the dau. of Robert I/V and Aelis; and, Lieutgarde was the dau. of Robert I/V and Beatrice.

      In 918, he was also named Count of Mézerais and of the Véxin. With his cousin Bernard, Count of Beauvais and Senlis, he constituted a powerful group in the west of France, to the north and east of Paris. In 923, he imprisoned King Charles III in Château-Thierry, then in Péronne.

      In 922, the Archbishop of Rheims, Seulf, called on Herbert II to reduce some of his vassals who were in rebellion against him. On the death of Seulf, in 925, with the help of King Rudolph, he acquired for his second son Hugh (then five years old) the archbishopric of Rheims, which had a large inheritance in France and Germany. In 926, on the death of Count Roger of Laon, Herbert demanded this County for Eudes, his eldest son. He settled there, initially against the will of King Rudolph and constructed a fortress there. Rudolph yielded to pressure to free king Charles III, whom Herbert still held in prison. In 930, Herbert took the castle of Vitry-en-Perthois at the expense of Boso, the brother of King Rudolph. Rudolph united his army with the army of Hugh, marquis of Neustria, and in 931, they entered Rheims and defeated Hugh, the son of Herbert. Artaud became the new archbishop of Reims. Herbert II then lost, in three years, Vitry, Laon, Château-Thierry, and Soissons. The intervention of his ally, Henry the Fowler, allowed him to restore his domains (except Rheims and Laon) in exchange for his submission to King Rudolph.

      Later Herbert allied with Hugh the Great and William Longsword, duke of Normandy against King Louis IV, who allocated the County of Laon to Roger II, the son of Roger I, in 941. Herbert and Hugh the Great took back Rheims and captured Artaud. Hugh, the son of Herbert, was restored as archbishop. Again the mediation of the German King Otto I in Visé, near Liège, in 942 allowed for the normalization of the situation.

      Death and legacy

      Herbert II died on 23 February 943 without having succeeded in building the principality of which he dreamed. His succession was reconciled by Hugh the Great, maternal uncle of his children. It took place in 946 and led to an equitable distribution between the sons of Herbert II: Herbert "the Elder", Robert, Albert (Adalbert), and Hugh (his other son Eudes died before 946). As for his girls, Adela was married to Arnulf I, count of Flanders, Luitgarde (widow of William Longsword) was married to Theobald I, count of Blois, the first lieutenant of Hugh. She brought to Theobald Provins and domains in the Mézerais.

      Family

      With Hildebrand of France, daughter of Robert I of France, he had the following children:

      Adele of Vermandois (910-960), married 934 Count Arnulf I of Flanders, also a descendant of Charlemagne
      Eudes of Vermandois, Count of Amiens and of Vienne, (912-946)
      Adalbert I, Count of Vermandois (915-987), married Gerberge of Lorraine, also a descendant of Charlemagne
      Robert of Vermandois, Count of Meaux and Châlons (ca. 918-968)
      Herbert "the Elder", Count of Meaux and of Troyes (ca. 920-993)
      Luitgarde of Vermandois (ca. 920-978), married 943 Theobald I of Blois
      Hugh of Vermandois (died 962), Archbishop of Reims

      But, Hildebrandt was the dau. of Robert I/V and Aelis; and, Lieutgarde was the dau. of Robert I/V and Beatrice. Which children belong to which, is to be determined.
    Person ID I4188  Bosdet Genealogy
    Last Modified 16 May 2013 

    Father Herbert, I Count of Vermandois,   b. Abt 849,   d. 907  (Age ~ 58 years) 
    Relationship Natural 
    Mother Bertha de Morvois 
    Relationship Natural 
    Family ID F1728  Group Sheet

    Family Hildebranda of France,   b. 895,   d. 931  (Age 36 years) 
    Children 
     1. Heribert, Comte d'Omois III,   b. 927,   d. Between 980 and 984  (Age 53 years)
     2. Hugues, Comte de Reims,   b. 920,   d. 962  (Age 42 years)
     3. Adele of Vermandois,   b. Abt 910,   d. 960  (Age ~ 50 years)
     4. Adalbert, I Count of Vermandois,   b. Abt 916,   d. 09 Sep 988  (Age ~ 72 years)
     5. Eudes, Comte d'Amiens,   b. 915,   d. Aft 946  (Age > 32 years)
     6. Robert of Vermandois,   b. Abt 920,   d. Abt 968  (Age ~ 48 years)
     7. Luitgarda de Vermandois
    Family ID F1199  Group Sheet

  • Sources 
    1. [S174] Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_II_of_Vermandois.

    2. [S178] thePeerage.com, Darryl Lundy, (Location: Ngaio, Wellington, New Zealand;).